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i would like to ask if doompope knows of all of hellikin's resets. or vice versa, if hellikin knows of all doompope's resets. or even better, if Daedeloth knows of all resets performed.
the simple answer, is NO.
guess what? we have times when more than 20~30 players are reset everyday for cheating. moderators *DO NOT* discuss every reset being performed.
there has been so far only *FIVE* resets with discussions between moderators, in all dolumar history. namely, veronica on stable, dmais on stable, wolfie on speed, veronica on speed. that's it.
we do not discuss every reset eing performed, or else the multi list would have been 3 page long still.
we have a hierarchal system to solve this. we have hunters and administrators. the hunters find the cheaters, and ask for reset, the admin reviews, and either approves ro rejects.
wolfie on stable was queued for reset by Ishtar, i reviewed and approved.
why? wolfie had a multi, Cinderella. she claims she told Daedeloth about and all, we got no wind of this. the account has been running for quite a while. what wolfie said might be true, but she never reported the account for a moderator or administrator. she reported it to a developer who failed to answer, and who doesn't even perform moderating work because he's too busy developing. did she go on and report it to a moderator? no. i open the multi list, and there it is, wolfie and cinderella, opened on same computer, in same period of time. i review cinderella's email, and wow, that's wolfie's email even. no one ever told me about her situation. it was a crystal clear case of multying, i see the very same scenario a dozen times per day, the reset got approved by me.

edit: the fifth is patron on stable

Lets try to some this up.

I have made a mistake in the past (multi account). After recieving a pm about that, I reseted the biggest account myself and apologized for it.
I had a friend wanting to play this game too (it is a fun game, people want to play it ), but she had no computer. So I let her use mine and one of my emails since you need to give up an email to play this game.
After a while she stops playing it (not knowing if she will come back or not), I start using her account. A player (again a player not a mod) informs me this is also wrong. I quit and ask Daed to resolve this.
Daed doesn't help. I ask Smaug, he tries to help, fails. Daed doesn't help.
I go on playing and injoining the game. After getting many complaints Daed starts using his lines: I trusthed the mod team, I leave the moderating to the mod team.
Speed IS confusing. Us players post al sort of things on global forum, more confussing, ask alot of thing to mods and Daed, more confussing. I cast tornado's on Hello in vmode, Hello comes online, doesn't say a thing. Two days later, Ishtar freaks out to DrV.
Ishtar tells me nothing. Ishtar has to post this question herself: http://en.forum.dolumar.com/topic/214/tornado/. After I pm Ishtar, she tells me I should know it is a bug and report it?
After hearing half a story (and not knowing what goes on on speed) Vilmore (the so called developersteam agreeing with resets) yells out bugabuse, cheater. DrV and me get reset on speed and stable, no questions or explanation asked.
I think the mod team and the dev team has discussed this properly so I let it be and take my punnishment.
Players start discussing it on global, post and topics get removed, players don't give up, a mistake comes up:

Hellikin mod:
Each server is independent.  Sins committed on one server have nothing to do with the other server.  I'm not aware of ANYONE who has been treated in the way described here.

Wolfie was not reset on stable.
Veronica had been reset on stable for a completely different issue (about a month or two ago).

After discussing this a little more, invisibleman (mod) repeats this. I start asking questions. More mods didn't know about stable getting reset.
I start asking more questions, player post some more on global forum. Posts and topics get removed.
Whamra post: the players involved can contact me.
What's wrong with this?: DrV and I where banned from chat and pm for a year on speed, 15 days on stable and from global forum. Only other way I know in the game is the catlabemail that (if I am correct) goes to Daed.
I start asking more questions to a mod (I trusth and I was still misled to believe there was a moderatingteam). Players post more things on global forum.
After a while I get tired of waiting, give in and send Hello a pm:

From:      Hello
To:     Wolfieke
Re:

    Wolfieke wrote on 04.04.2010 22:46:
    Ok you got me.
    I understand the resets are final, but I still don't understand why stable was reset when two mods said on global this is not done and 3 mods and Thijs did not know about the reset on stable (and that's the ones I asked, don't know about the rest)

ps: counting invisibleman would make 4 mods I know about.

Hello answers:

Thijs was on vacation during most of the incident.
as for stable, we noticed the cinderella account was active on your IP, and loa and behold, using your email address as well. digging back to see why this account has been allowed for a while, we find a message claiming you are a boy, and cinderella is your girlfiriend's account. but we all know you're not a guy now, and kelly trenson is your name tongue
so a reset was performed. it's not really related to happenings on speed, just happened in same timezone... and ppl like conspiracy theories

I ask the mod (I can trusth)(and the same mod I explained Cinderella too after a PLAYER reminded me that could cause a problem): Did you know the stable reset was about Cinderella?

He answers: That was not why it was originally reset... that's why it was still reset.

=> Hello lied.

Somewhere inbetween I ask Daed questions, he ignores me, after sending him a link off a global forum topic Daed tells me to talk with Vilmore, because he's the one keeping himself busy with the mods.
Funny, on of the mods:
I've never gotten to interact with Vilmore

me:
You're kidding I hope

mod:
But I'm not joking. I've never even spoken to Vilmore.

I do talk to Vilmore, he tells me yes, mistakes have been made, but there's nothing I can do about that (=> so DrV and I get to suffer from your mistakes and we players are going to have this over and over again?)

I sent a pm to all mods and devs I know (some true facebook => the things a player has to do to be able to contact some people)

I get an answer from Isthar, which to me only proves she does uses personal feelings in her decisions.
I get an answer from a mod feeling personaly insulting. Read the pms right, also talking to Whamra (the boy and Cinderella being my girlfriend thing => not in that pm)
I get an answer from an other mod: I am not going to lie for anyone. You were reset on stable for what happened on speed. The debating on if we should re-instate you stopped when Cinderella was found.
(=> Whamra you lied)
This is what a player has to do to get some answers?

Other things: Daed said in Dutch speed chat: players get an email if they get reset (where's mine from speed?)
        Daed said: Right, this doesn't work on netlog (so did you try and does this still not work? or did none get sent for stable?)

Please admit mistakes where made, clear DrV and my name, do something about it so this doesn't happen again, do something about the game so we can all start to have fun again.

Guess who's back
Some dog in a movie: play?

Not according to Ishtar

I have contact with DrV as well, she tells me she wants it back.
I also like to make sure this doesn't happen again

edit: stable would take me months to get back at the same level

Laatst bewerkt door Wolfieke (2010-04-11 18:16:04)

Guess who's back
Some dog in a movie: play?

If you want it out, she told me she wants it back if only to kick Ishtars and Lolly's bum (or try and she didn't say bum)
Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's about doing the wright thing.
And about the level: I was ranked nr 7 on speed and nr 35 on stable, I still have a long way to go.

Guess who's back
Some dog in a movie: play?

Right, I can't check that (also many other things), the accounts have been reset.
I have the right to discus this. I tried pm, didn't work. I still would like some answers.

Guess who's back
Some dog in a movie: play?

Helli just did and did you read the news?

Guess who's back
Some dog in a movie: play?

If I am not mistaken there is still enough doubt about the cheating issue and the moderators telling the truth  {whamra1987 wrote: wolfie on stable was queued for reset by Ishtar}
Hellikin wrote
Not according to Ishtar

Moderators not united on this issue, claims of players not wanting to be reset and so on and on.
The one most important issue is the players were harshly and incorrectly delt with and both should be offered to be reinstated to the level they were when reset.

This semms to be the only issue on Global forum that has been hotly debated by all with the majority in favour of the players, we see DrV may never play Dolumar again, if that is an indication the moderators should fix the problem then put in place measures that will see this never happen again.

I have read wolfiekes posts and the story told is concise and legitimate, Whamra posts have far too many flaws and is very inconsistant, his story does not add up and so his credibility as a moderator has to be questioned.

Players like Fatal_Error_shutdown seem to want this to go away, but you must realise it cannot as it can and will happen to other players like you me and others, when you have people that lie controling who plays this game.

All the players putting post on here are fighting to make sure this is corrected and is never going to happen to another player. I do not see what the problem is, reinstate the players, put measures in place that will stop this issue happening again and place credible people in charge of this game, no players with hidden agendas, no players that lie, no players that are emotional and cannot make rational decisions based on facts and I mean ALL the facts. How simple is that, do it now and we all can go back and play the game, contribute to improving the game and most of all have fun.

{whamra1987 wrote:
        wolfie on stable was queued for reset by Ishta, i reviewed and approved}

{Hellikin wrote:
    Not according to Ishtar}

Whamra approved a reset that did not exist, Ishtar has denied Wolfieke was listed for reset.

Whamra review and approved a reset on wolfieke because Ishtar had listed wolfkieke for a reset??? I smell a rat here, I hope the other moderators are reading all of this, it is getting messy with one of your own, the more this goes on the more we discover about Whamra. Maybe it is time for someone to take charge and get this situation back to normal, reinstate the players and deal with Whamra

Laatst bewerkt door conan (2010-04-13 06:17:56)

I'm going to make this sort.

Speed sucks, stable is boring.
Nothing will change.

I quit this game.

Whamra I really hope you one day will understand you are a bad mod.

Bye all, have fun.

Grzt Wolfie.

Guess who's back
Some dog in a movie: play?

So another wanker makes a stupid comment, what has happened to Wolfieke can happen to you. Is is a very sad day when a great player leaves because of a discredited moderator.
Yes Stable is very boring, so why not work on stable to improve the game, to speed it up. Loosing Wolfieke has made me think what is the use of playing this game, it has lost all of its fun, not enjoyable anymore.
The owners of the game have put an incompetent moderator who lies and misleads people on this game to the point they are driven away, so why are they not doing something to rectify the problem.
The other moderators why haven't you done something, you all read the posts and understand you have a dud, get rid of him, I think Wolfieke and DrV are worth more value to this game than him.
Just bloody do something!