Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

i did not screw up. if you want this public, fine.
you speed reset was discussed with with the remaining moderators. it was a non-usual situation, and i alone couldn't take the decision.
regarding stable, it was for a whole different issue. it was about your multi called "Cinderella", which you claim that you have contacted daedeloth several times about it, to reset it, and he never did.
1) you could have reset it yourself
2) you could have contacted *me* as admin about it to perform the reset
3) you asked mods who didn't perform the reset about it, of course they won't know. such resets are not discussed before issuing except between the moderator performing the reset and the admin deciding to approve or reject it.
knowing daedeloth too well, he might as well have said that he leaves mod work to the moderators. you failed to report cinderella to another moderator for reset back in january.
and then i see it constantly showing up with you. and lo and behold, it's even using your own email address.

just that guy... remember him? didn't expect you to...

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started januari 14 on netlog


me:

Hi,

Kan je mij eens een pleziertje doen, Cinderella is gestopt met spelen. Wij zitten op dezelfde IP. Als ik in het fullscrene ofline ga due to inactivitie en daarna terug connectie met de server maak gaat hij automatisch naar haar account.
Ik heb geprobeert te resetten, maar ik heb haar email niet.

Wil jij haar even resetten voor mij aub (mag zowel op speed als op stable).
Groetjes, Kelly

Thijs:

Hi,

Dat kan je erg eenvoudig oplossen:
Ga naar http://stable.neuroninteractive.com/ en klik op "Logout".
Doe hetzelfde voor http://speed.neuroninteractive.com/

Op die manier zal je niet meer inloggen op haar account.

Groeten,
Thijs.

me:

Hi Daed,

Ik heb al 2 keer uitgelogd met Cinderella en ik blijf er terug opkomen.
Kan je ze echt niet resetten?

Groetjes

no more response.
I played on netlog. I told you netlogplayers (especialy before the Dutch mods) only know Thijs.

1) she used my computer. I have many hotmail emails, i told her to use on of those. I didn't know which one. I can't get on it, she changed the paswoord. I told you this in pm.
2) this was months ago, I didn't even think about Cinderella untill someone reminded me (not a mod or dev but a player) it might cause trouble. Again in that time on netlog we only know Daed.
3) nobody asked me, if you check the logs, empty since januari.

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you: regarding stable, it was for a whole different issue. it was about your multi called "Cinderella"

mod nr1: That was not why it was originally reset... that's why it was still reset.

mod nr2: I am not going to lie for anyone. You were reset on stable for what happened on speed. The debating on if we should re-instate you stopped when Cinderella was found.

admit you're lying, apologize for it.
Clean up the mess behind the scenes (all of you mods and devs, except for 2 who are trying verry hard)

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Wolfie's got some good points here!
I'm sorry to say so but you guys should clean up this mess.
It's a shame it has come this far, could noone of the mod team contact wolfie before resetting and stuff?
A public riot like this won't do any good at all to any of you, i think wolfie has done extremely well trying to keep this thing out of the open.
Now that is is a public discussion i think it's time you guys showed you got some balls and do something.... you can hide by saying you're just a multi hunter but to be honest, the problems here are not about multi's.

Your village is 38100% bigger than the defending village. You will probably lose 90 honour by attacking this village. If someone of your clan attacked this village earlier, every clan member will lose honour.

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I like to ad, the third time I ask daed to reset Cinderella:
I asked smaug to ask Daed to reset Cinderella (I admit Smaug was no mod back then, he is now) he said he did. And in the same time I explaned Cinderella to Smaug.

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Everyone here can agree that Speed needs more players right? If you were a new player and you saw the forum for the first time... Would you stay? I mean you're blowing stupid crap WAY out of proportion and everyone holds petty grudges. Yes the game is competitive but there is something called sportsmanship, and EVERYONE needs more of it. The mods need it. The people who have been wronged need it. You need it. I need it. Stop behaving like a bunch of 12 year old lawyers and the game might become what it actually should be. A game.

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Voldtekt schreef:

Everyone here can agree that Speed needs more players right? If you were a new player and you saw the forum for the first time... Would you stay? I mean you're blowing stupid crap WAY out of proportion and everyone holds petty grudges. Yes the game is competitive but there is something called sportsmanship, and EVERYONE needs more of it. The mods need it. The people who have been wronged need it. You need it. I need it. Stop behaving like a bunch of 12 year old lawyers and the game might become what it actually should be. A game.

I am sorry for trying to point out why old players and new players quit. In the hope something will change.

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whamra1987 wrote "regarding conan.... again, it seems he knows nothing of the truth, and just the type of people who enjoy hijacking any thought and post he see to throw a load of trash around, which he understands none of. are you even a speed player? you yourself said you're a stable player"

So you finally have admitted something, the 2 bloody games are seperate!!!!!!! Now that you have done that fix the problem, tell your other moderators what you have said here, if you are brave enough.  Reset the players and fix your mistake.

whamra1987 wrote "it was a joke gone bad. like it or not, it was a joke. and i dont even understand why ishtar was included in the attack since she wasnt even there when the joke happened, or even supported it, her grandfather was a WWII fighter in germany... as for me? mt grandfather has a permanent walking disability because of a bullet in his foot from a german officer during vichi french control.
i do *not* endorse the massacres the man ever did, it was a *joke*"

When was it a joke to you? I read the above and discover people you know were affected, so when you decided to make hiltler a "joke" knowing the above facts did you care about them and their feelings then, I don't think so, only now to save your skin.


whamra1987 wrote "there are dozens of other leaders, who've done far worse things in this world, and yes, i've seen their pics posted around dolumar. i dont see you jumping mad on them, why? you just like throwing crap around, i understand"

So now you are using pictures of other murderous people as an excuse and then have the sick claim that they were worse in a feeble attempt to justify your posting, you have a severe problem in your beliefs. I did not see ANY moderator post a picture of any mass muderers only ONE - YOU! So I only jump around when a person that has the power to shut down players and chat does something as dispicable as you have done.


According to Wolfieke, whamra1987 wrote "Ok you got me.
    I understand the resets are final, but I still don't understand why stable was reset when two mods said on global this is not done and 3 mods and Thijs did not know about the reset on stable (and that's the ones I asked, don't know about the rest)"

This is the most damning evidence that you are a liar and you really believe that the players should not have been reset on stable. If you are an example of what the moderators of this game are about then god help this game.
You are a hypocrit, how can you put all the postings you have on this subject yet "behind the scenes" you knew it was wrong, not only did you know but you also believe it was wrong.
You are now obliged to concentrate all your efforts to get the reset changed, you are now obliged to stand by your principles and beliefs and right this wrong, if you are a person of any good character then you will resign if your fellow moderators refuse to change the reset decision, doing that would put you in high esteem among the players of this game.
it is now up to you, do the right thing, good luck with your decision and I hope you make the correct one.

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

registered 682 players on speed
about 120 are activ (higher than 3000 points)

registered 5169 players on stable
about 300 are activ ( the same - more than 3000 points)

That's the situation. I don't know from where the other players find it. but the most german, swiss, dutch and belgish players find that game via netlog. And automatic they go there to stable. and i think only the more interested players find out there is another server called speed server. I found out after 4 weeks that's a different game. At the beginning i thought it would be different login for high speed internet and low speed. I think the first what have to do is to explain on stable server what means speed server. And better instructions in german language would be very helpful.
The next matter is speed is more complicated than stable and needs more time to play.

To my mind speed is very unpredictable. I remember before i restarted i attacked somebody in my size with 1200 troops ( knights and longswordmen). He had only 120 troops at home. But i lost the battle. I mean there are to much spells they make strong troops useless. I know a lot of players they told me the game is illogical they won't play anymore.

Punish me for my English not for my words! big_smile

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Wolfieke schreef:
Voldtekt schreef:

Everyone here can agree that Speed needs more players right? If you were a new player and you saw the forum for the first time... Would you stay? I mean you're blowing stupid crap WAY out of proportion and everyone holds petty grudges. Yes the game is competitive but there is something called sportsmanship, and EVERYONE needs more of it. The mods need it. The people who have been wronged need it. You need it. I need it. Stop behaving like a bunch of 12 year old lawyers and the game might become what it actually should be. A game.

I am sorry for trying to point out why old players and new players quit. In the hope something will change.

Or we can not act like 6 year old girls for 5 seconds. Btw replies like yours are COUNTER productive.

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Strange this hasnt been closed yet....
Oh i see noones actually questioned a moderator in a post or 2.

87 Laatst bewerkt door Wolfieke (2010-04-10 22:27:15)

Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

Whamra, can I please know why stable was reset, since Cinderella was not the reason why it was reset, but why it stayed reset.

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Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

I'll stop posting here in forum.

I posted a lot of thoughts here. But no answers!

There are 2 (or 3) possibilities.

1. My arguments are so clever - nobody has a reply.

2. The thoughts are so stupid - it's worth answering!

(3. My english is so terrible - nobody can understand me!) big_smile

Punish me for my English not for my words! big_smile

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dietmar_1960 schreef:

I'll stop posting here in forum.

I posted a lot of thoughts here. But no answers!

There are 2 (or 3) possibilities.

1. My arguments are so clever - nobody has a reply.

2. The thoughts are so stupid - it's worth answering!

(3. My english is so terrible - nobody can understand me!) big_smile

This might not be the right place, since this topic is being ignored.

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Re: Can we get a litlle feedback please.

Wolfieke schreef:
dietmar_1960 schreef:

I'll stop posting here in forum.

I posted a lot of thoughts here. But no answers!

There are 2 (or 3) possibilities.

1. My arguments are so clever - nobody has a reply.

2. The thoughts are so stupid - it's worth answering!

(3. My english is so terrible - nobody can understand me!) big_smile

This might not be the right place, since this topic is being ignored.


It's the same in other topics. big_smile

Punish me for my English not for my words! big_smile

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Voldtekt schreef:

Everyone here can agree that Speed needs more players right? If you were a new player and you saw the forum for the first time... Would you stay? I mean you're blowing stupid crap WAY out of proportion and everyone holds petty grudges. Yes the game is competitive but there is something called sportsmanship, and EVERYONE needs more of it. The mods need it. The people who have been wronged need it. You need it. I need it. Stop behaving like a bunch of 12 year old lawyers and the game might become what it actually should be. A game.


The game also needs mods who don't make moves based on personal vendettas.  That alone contributes to players leaving the game and not wanting to come back, at least to the server in which he/she was abused on by said mods.

Keep the mods off the game, period...because mods mod, correct?

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Ishtar schreef:

That's fine, I have absolutely nothing to hide. The ban in question was because she called the mods, all the mods, a name.


Once again, you are a bold face liar.  You banned Veronica for 5 minutes because according to you, she had "attitude."  You banned her because of your *perception* of a conversation occuring in the online realm, therefore unable to hear tones of voice or see facial expressions.

You lied about Veronica telling you upfront that she had asked Wolfie to stop, and now you lie about why you banned Veronica for 5 minutes.

You, Ishtar, are a liar.  You are helping to make this game miserable for other players.  Good job.

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Tyranicus schreef:

The game also needs mods who don't make moves based on personal vendettas.

Again, no one has.

Tyranicus schreef:

Once again, you are a bold face liar.  You banned Veronica for 5 minutes because according to you, she had "attitude."  You banned her because of your *perception* of a conversation occuring in the online realm, therefore unable to hear tones of voice or see facial expressions.You lied about Veronica telling you upfront that she had asked Wolfie to stop, and now you lie about why you banned Veronica for 5 minutes.You, Ishtar, are a liar.  You are helping to make this game miserable for other players.  Good job.

The 5 minute ban, yes was for being absolutely horrid and childish in the chat. The longer one shortly after (which I thought we were talking about) was for name calling mods in general.

Again, I did not see where Veronica told me she told Wolfie to stop, but I did read after that, according to Wolfie, Veronica had asked her to stop as gems were going to be needed elsewhere, NOT because this was "wrong" or even "remotely questionable"

And you, "Tyranicus" were not present for any of this.

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Ishtar schreef:
Tyranicus schreef:

The game also needs mods who don't make moves based on personal vendettas.

Again, no one has.

Tyranicus schreef:

Once again, you are a bold face liar.  You banned Veronica for 5 minutes because according to you, she had "attitude."  You banned her because of your *perception* of a conversation occuring in the online realm, therefore unable to hear tones of voice or see facial expressions.You lied about Veronica telling you upfront that she had asked Wolfie to stop, and now you lie about why you banned Veronica for 5 minutes.You, Ishtar, are a liar.  You are helping to make this game miserable for other players.  Good job.

The 5 minute ban, yes was for being absolutely horrid and childish in the chat. The longer one shortly after (which I thought we were talking about) was for name calling mods in general.

Again, I did not see where Veronica told me she told Wolfie to stop, but I did read after that, according to Wolfie, Veronica had asked her to stop as gems were going to be needed elsewhere, NOT because this was "wrong" or even "remotely questionable"

And you, "Tyranicus" were not present for any of this.

Wow

lets ask the players who thinks the mod team are good at their job.....

wonder how many posative things we will hear

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Ishtar schreef:
Tyranicus schreef:

The game also needs mods who don't make moves based on personal vendettas.

Again, no one has.

Tyranicus schreef:

Once again, you are a bold face liar.  You banned Veronica for 5 minutes because according to you, she had "attitude."  You banned her because of your *perception* of a conversation occuring in the online realm, therefore unable to hear tones of voice or see facial expressions.You lied about Veronica telling you upfront that she had asked Wolfie to stop, and now you lie about why you banned Veronica for 5 minutes.You, Ishtar, are a liar.  You are helping to make this game miserable for other players.  Good job.

The 5 minute ban, yes was for being absolutely horrid and childish in the chat. The longer one shortly after (which I thought we were talking about) was for name calling mods in general.

Again, I did not see where Veronica told me she told Wolfie to stop, but I did read after that, according to Wolfie, Veronica had asked her to stop as gems were going to be needed elsewhere, NOT because this was "wrong" or even "remotely questionable"

And you, "Tyranicus" were not present for any of this.

DrV told me to stop, that was your question, you called her a liar for that, never apologized.
The reason why she did ask me to stop for according to you the wrong reason: Half off speed knew what I was doing no one saw it as wrong.
Rules are not clear players have to guess.
So do mods.
example:

Wolfieke schreef:

    can we still send support while this is getting investigated or is that bugabuse?

You: As no one seems to be harmed or put in a better position by this, I see no reason why support troops cannot still be sent.

Invis: If it was bug abuse you'd have to ban half the population for sending support. It just isn't happening. Especially if it isn't working for the whole of the game. Support would have to be turned off more or less completely for no one to use support. It is just not reasonable. It simply has to be fixed.

So the reason why you don't see it as bugabue is because no one can be put in a better position? More food means more troops to retrain, means more food to look for runes. This can be abused
Invis says it's not because you would have to ban half the game.

I hope when a dev comes on he sees it the same way and doesn't yell out bugabuse and starts banning people because ones again the rules aren't clear and guessed on by players and mods.

New rules:
We are pushing a bunch of fixes to speed today. These changes fix the weird battle reports that some of you have seen (more slots in the report than in the attack screen) and also makes the battle reports more readable.
There are a few changes to gameplay as well. When a portal spell cannot find a suitable target, it will now simply say so instead of casting on an "invalid target". That means you also don't have to pay the cast costs if no valid target is available.
Another change is that all support troops are now withdrawn from your allies when you enter vacation mode.
Let me emphasize again that all bugs should be reported as soon as possible. Abusing a bug will result in a ban.

Question, what is seen by mods and devs as an invalid target?
How are we to know what is a bug? How are new players to know what a bug is? Especially since we don't get any feedback on this global forum from the people who do know (the devs) but only more guessing from players and mods.
What is abusing a bug? We don't know all the bugs, some or ok the abuse, others aren't.

http://en.forum.dolumar.com/post/2938/#p2938
2 players asking questions, last one 3 days ago. No awnser.
We can wait a little longer, but some (alot) off questions on this global forum have had no awnser for months.

You say: The 5 minute ban, yes was for being absolutely horrid and childish in the chat.

Are you finnaly admitting you use personal feelings?
And a player would become horrid and childish, you freaked out. Players follow mods examples and react to the way the are treaded by mods.

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Ishtar schreef:
Tyranicus schreef:

The game also needs mods who don't make moves based on personal vendettas.

Again, no one has.

Tyranicus schreef:

Once again, you are a bold face liar.  You banned Veronica for 5 minutes because according to you, she had "attitude."  You banned her because of your *perception* of a conversation occuring in the online realm, therefore unable to hear tones of voice or see facial expressions.You lied about Veronica telling you upfront that she had asked Wolfie to stop, and now you lie about why you banned Veronica for 5 minutes.You, Ishtar, are a liar.  You are helping to make this game miserable for other players.  Good job.

The 5 minute ban, yes was for being absolutely horrid and childish in the chat. The longer one shortly after (which I thought we were talking about) was for name calling mods in general.

Again, I did not see where Veronica told me she told Wolfie to stop, but I did read after that, according to Wolfie, Veronica had asked her to stop as gems were going to be needed elsewhere, NOT because this was "wrong" or even "remotely questionable"

And you, "Tyranicus" were not present for any of this.



Hello,

I haven't been around for quite a while, came across this and wished to reply:

What is "absolutely horrid" is the behavior of some of the mods here.  What is also "absolutely horrid" is the memory of these mods. 


← Ishtar
i suggest she not do it til he answers please
16:32
→ Ishtar
Honestly? I have already asked wolfie days ago to lay off the spell and limit the usage, but that is ultimately to her discretion
16:33


Taken from the conversation between Ishtar and Veronica, the day Ishtar became aware.


Good day!